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memorable for us. martha: we were together for at least yesterday, which was very memorable and good to be with you and with so many great people down there at ground zero. today we move on to a lot of new business that exists in washington, the president is going to speak in the next hour, we're told now, he will address lawmakers and ask them to pass this bill, essentially, in this public forum that he will take this morning, $447 billion is how much this plan will cost, he says it needs to be passed, quote, right away. so far he has only outlined the package, he's claim thank a more detailed plan will be released in the coming days. >> a week from monday, i'll be releasing a more ambitious decifit plan, a plan that will not only cover the cost of this jobs bill, but stabilize our debt in the long run. bill: so a week from monday when the speech was -- the leading house republicans said to be considering the plan. stu varney is with us how, hundreds of billions more, do we know where that money
is coming, from stu? good morning. >> no, sir, we do not know precisely where it's coming from. there have been vague threats of tax increases on the rich and on big corporations, but nothing more specific than that. we'll get the details. bill: you were doing a lot of reading over the weekend. what do the experts, quote unquote, say about this? >> they don't think much of the jobs plan presented thursday evening. they've had three days to look it over. i noticed on saturday a headline in the "new york times" which read "employers say jobs plan won't lead to hiring spur". that's a pretty negative judgment. in general, the experts are saying look, this is a spend a half trillion dollars plan now, raise taxes on individuals and corporations to pay for it, maybe, and then cut spending dramatically, much later, many years from now. they don't think much to t. they're reacting against it. bill: you used the phrase last week son of stimulus, some others have, too. did the experts talk about it that way? >> theemocrats. the white house does not like to use the word
"stimulus", they try to keep that out of the argument, but it does amount to another stimulus package, a half trillion this time, $860 billion last time. it is considered son of stimulus by many people. bill: all right. now, the stock market, we're headed lower. >> yes we are. bill: what's going on? >> there are two things here. first of all, europe in a mess again, the greeks can't pay, the germans won't bail, banks are losing their shirts, down go european markets, europe goes into a recession and it washes over to our shores. you're going to see a dow industrials down probably 150 to 200 points at the opening tpwhel a few minutes' time. bill: what they're trying to do is figure out how deep the hole is in europe? >> no, they know how deep the hole is. they can't plug it. the germans are unwilling to lend the money. they're the only ones who have got the money. they're unwilling to lend the money, that gets the greeks out of their debt. banks are owed a fortune by the greek government. if they don't get their money the banks look very
shaky. that's the problem. bill: the black hole. stuart varney, 9:20. >> precisely! bill bi-and not a minute earlier! thank you. martha. martha: we're watching the markets open at 9:30, as stuart says, likely to the downside. a lot is in the works about how the president's jobs plan will be received and how are democrats receiving this plan? there are new reports that there is a lot of concern that is now being spoken quite clearly among democrats about the president's chances of reelection. we're going to talk about that with chairwoman of the dnc, congresswoman debbie wasserman-schultz is going to talk about this, we'll talk about the jobs bill and huh it gets paid for and distkpwrubtelment about democrats out there. bill: and former utah governor jon huntsman weighing in live on the president's jobs plan, he is live only, oh, ten minutes away or so, so stay tuned for that.
martha: all right. speaking of the gop candidates, there's a major endorsement this morning for one of them, former minnesota governor tim pawlenty was on fox & friends, he says he is now backing mitt romney in his bid for the white house in 2012. watch w45 he says -- watch what he stkpwhraoez i know all the candidates for the race in 2012, i know them and respect them but the next president is going to have to lead on the jobs and economy in an historic way and there's one candidate who's unmatched in his skills and experience and talent when it comes to growing this economy and it's mitt romney and i'm proud and excited to endorse him for president of the united states, i believe he's going to be our party's nominee and i think he's going to be a transformational and great president for this country. martha: that was an interesting moment this morning. so the news is that pawlenty will now serve as the national co-chair on mitt romney's campaign, the former governor dropped out of the race as you remember after his third place finish in the iowa straw poll last month but he is very much want to go stay in the mix in terms of how things go.
also, there's this story that came across just a little while ago, fears of a nuclear scare as an explosion rocked a nuclear plant in southern france, reportedly killing at least one person is the early report. greg palkot joins us live from london, keeping an eye on this story. what do we know about this so far? >> martha, we've been watching this together for the past hour or so, very different reports from a couple of different sources. scare, i would say we should call it because there's not a widespread effect to the population yet, but it was a deadly incident. as you noted, one person killed, four people injured, one seriously, when an explosion and a fire occurred at a nuclear facility in the southern part of france, in a place called marcoule, not far from the provence area of france, 50 miles from marseilles. a lot of nuclear reactor, plutonium for nuclear bombs used to be built there. right now it's used mostly
for reconverting nuclear plants to safer means, that is the commissioning of nuclear plants, dealing with nuclear waste. apparently what happened is a fire occurred in a workshop area, a dump area, dealing with nuclear waste, and that triggered an explosion in a furnace, in an oven, and they're trying to melt this stuff down to make it safer, and that's when the death occurred and also this injuries, four injuries. now, the official fear,f course -- initial fear, of course, martha is there was a release of radioactive material but there has been no release, even though they're keeping a strong watch on it, there are fire trucks, as well as police vehicles, and tellingly, no one in this immediate area is being allowed to leave until all is clear, and the feeling is it is safe. so right now, they're watching, they're waiting to see if there's any leakage. but now they're saying not yet. martha: obviously, france
relies very heavily on nuclear power. it's been one of the countries looked to as an example. they've had a pretty good safety record in the past, right greg? >> reporter: very good safety record, according from our quick research here, first, yeah, very dependent on nuclear energy, about 75 percent of the power in france is received from nuclear plants. from what i can see, from checking all of the incidents, and there have been incidents at various nuclear facilities, i haven't seen any deaths related to it. we'll have to check further. this could be the first death related to at an incident in the history of french nuclear power but we're looking into that further. martha: developing story out of southern france. greg, thank you very much. bill: some of the stories we're watching on a monday morning. much more to come and he says social security, it's a ponzi scheme and despite that controversy, rick perry today is doubling down. what the texas governor is saying about that already today. martha: and republicans going head to head in a
debate tonight, but one of them may need to make a very bold move tonight to start to stand out among this group. >> to have a president who would actually walk out from behind the teleprompter, get out of the way, speak from your heart and soul, just tell us about where you want this country to go. bull bill that's jon huntsman and he is here live out of tampa, florida, in minutes.
martha: well, a massive dust storm has engulfed the skies over phoenix this morning, the clouds rolled in, look at this thing, after strong winds ripped up debris in the desert. at least six dust storms have hit the city over the course of the summer but they're using used to it. it's a rough situation. the most powerful one was on july 5th and this measured a mile high of dust! bill: like three weeks, huh, all on camera.
ready for the next one. so republican contenders back on the podium for a tea party-sponsored debate in florida. jon huntsman will be one on stage and for now, though, jon huntsman is my guest out of tampa, the former governor of utah and former ambassador to china. welcome sir and good morning here. >> thank you, bill, it's an honor to be with you. bill: you are in this tea party debate later tonight, and you're going to have to sell yourself these folks and i'm wondering where you disagree with the tea party. what differences do you have with this message? >> well, there's a lot to like in what i have done. when i stand you and they find i am prolife, prosecond amendment, progrowth, brought about historic tax cuts in iowa, best managed state in america, tripled the rainy day fund, health care reform without a mandate. as we look into this and we
make that introduction to the american people i think there's a lot to like here. bill: do you have any disagreements, then, governor? >> well, i don't look for disagreements. i look for where this country can come together. as we sat yesterday, reflecting on what happened ten years ago to this country, and the emotional outpouring of so many americans, i think the message really needs to be we need unity once again in this country, just as we had ten years ago, we need unity around fixing the economy and creating jobs. that's what matters. we've got a human tragedy on our hands, 14 million unemployed, millions beyond that who are so disspirited they've just given up, moms and dads and families who are suffering, and instead of finding the points of disagreement, i think we need to come together around some core themes. bill: i think there's a lot of agreement on that. let me -- stay with the question for a moment, because you talked about global warming and you've talked about evolution, which may be very appealing
in a general election, especially among independent voters, but are you conservative enough to win a republican primary? >> listen, i talk about respecting science. i don't think this party can run from science and expect to win a general election. i don't think you have to light your hair on fire in order to be a keufr testify. i don't think we should be ceding any of these issues to the democrat. there are conservative approaches and conservative solutions to all of the major issues of the day and until such time as we're willing to stand up, bill, around these even controversial issues and put forth conservative solutions, we creed them to the democrats, and you lose elections by doing that. i'm not going to let that happen. we have to be a mainstream conservative party, we can't run from science, we can't run from mainstream thinking. we've got to win at the end of the day. bill: and you -- >> we need someone that can lead. bill: i apologize about the interruption. you understand the head winds about those positions in a republican primary.
you mentioned jobs and in one hour we're going to hear the president push again for his jobs plan which is about $447 billion. you wrote in the "wall street journal" just about a week ago a strong endorsement from the journal, you said we need a revenue-neutral tax overhaul modeled after ronald reagan's 1986 tax reform which will require taking on sacred cows. there's an awful lot in that sentence alone, but you served this president in china, would you back his jobs plan now? >> of course not. we don't need another $500 billion, $450 billion in spending. these are half measures, bill. we can't afford as a country with an economy that is sucking wind, we can't have half measures and half steps. we've got to be big, we've got to be bold and honest with the american people. we'rena crisis situation and in order to get out of a crisis situation you need big thinking, you need to take the tax code and need to shake it upside down, you knees to phase out the
deductions, loophole, corporate welfare, lower the rate and broaden the base. why? because we have no choice at this point in our economic history. we've got to take regulatory reform and look at omabacare and look at dodd-frank and say this is hindering the marketplace, inhibiting the job growth, providing so much uncertainty that companies aren't employing and they're not deploying capital expenditures into the marketplace. we've got to move toward energy independence and get back the free trade game. bill: if you disagree with president obama on the jobs plan, why did you choose to serve him as u.s. ambassador in beijing? >> well, because aim anamerican first and foremost, and we are a nation at war and when our economy is hurting, i'm a person who when asked by the president of the united states is going to stand up and serve. that's a philosophy, bill, i've always had. i served president rag ain, i've served president bush, and that's a philosophy i take to my grave. it's my country before
party. bill: you have two debates in florida, in the next week and a half but you've essentially taken your operation and taken it to new haplsz. in fact your first town hall takes place in new hampshire but our polling shows you way down the line. in the righthand column, third from the bottom, at 1 percent of the vote. and i know what you said just a couple days arc it's a long race, there's a long way to go, but is new hampshire your best chance of victory, governor? >> new hampshire is going to be critically important, bill, because it is the first real test of retail politics. and an official's ability to connect with a message with real people who want you to earn the vote. but here in florida, we're not saving anything, i have our national headquarters here, my wife is from orlando. we're going to play it here because i believe in florida this is where the republican
nominee is going to be chosen. new hampshire is going to be important, south carolina will be critically important and that head of steam you get coming out of new hampshire can't be denied. you've seen it election cycle after election cycle, then to south carolina and here in florida where it's going to be wrapped up. bill: governor, we will follow it every step of the way, beginning with our debate on the 22nd of september. thank you for your time, we'll speak again down the road. jon huntsman, former governor of utah. martha: fox news is teaming up with google to host a gop debate in orlando on september 22nd, we're all looking forward to that, and you can submit your questions for the candidates, you can start doing that right away. go to foxnews.com, scroll down to the spotlight section, click on the gop presidential debate. there's a link for you to submit your question, click on the ask a question tab, and you can either write a question or submit a video question for the candidates. that's going to be a very big event in this election process, so we hope you'll weigh in because we want a lot of input from our viewers as well. as we wait for the
president and learn more about his push to get this jobs plan passed, can the bill turn this ship around or begin to turn this ship around and what kind of impact might it have on his prospects for the 2012 election? we're going to talk to democratic national committee chairwoman debbie wasserman-shut, we're going to ask what she thinks about those two hot topics. bill: two u.s. flights grounded only hours after the nation marks ten years since 9/11. find out what had aviation officials on such high alert and why military jets were called to shadow those planes.
safety officials say even though that water looks safe it's a dangerous swim for swimmers. >> even though the water has gotten a little calmer and it looks more inviting, we're seeing large ripcurrents up and down the beach. as always, stay safe in water, touch bottom at all times and never swim alone. bill: you've had those storms brushing up the atlantic coast and that's where they're seeing this, on the east side of florida, surf conditions expected to get back to normal but not at least until next week. martha: president obama getting ready to submit his long awaited jobs plan to congress but the question is will it be enough for everybody and will it be enough for democrats because there's been disgruntlement in the democratic ranks that was outlined in the new york sometimes over -- "new york times" over the weekend. we want to bring in our guests, chairwoman of the democratic national committee, debbie wasserman-schultz. >> good morning, martha, good to be with you. martha: let's talk -- the big question this morning,
$447 billion in this new stimulus plan to try to get the economy going. where is the money going to come from? >> well, the other night when president obama laid out his american jobs act proposal to the nation before a joint session of congress i thought he knocked it out of the park. this is a plan that will give us an immediate shot in the arm and we're certainly hopeful that congress will take it up immediately. we need to make sure that the infrastructure investments that are laid out in this plan, that the tax cuts, particularly the payroll tax cuts, middle class tax cuts for small businesses, those are the kinds of things that will get resources into the hands of regular folks who then will spend that money and put it right into the economy. martha: understood. you know, theoretically, that's the way it should work. what i'm getting to here, we'll put aside for a moment how it's going to paid paid for but i do want to get back to that. let's talk about what it's going to do, $130 billion in
aid to state and local governments, that would go to holding on to police officer jobs, teacher jobs and head into this infrastructure stuff. it's being called by one person a temporary patch for budget hole that is are likely to remain long after the federal money runs out. the concern is that if you don't restructure some of these pension agreements, that the police and teachers and all these groups have, what you're doing is throwing money at the problem to keep jobs short term and not really changing the underlying structure of the budget agreements and pension agreements and long term it doesn't have the desired effect. >> martha, to suggest that state pension plans and pension deals for government employees are what's dragging down these state and local governments is really unfair. at the end of the day, we have to make sure that our schools have good teachers, that we can make sure that we keep security at the level that we need it by not
laying off police officers, and firefighters are able to be the first responders that we need them in communities. >> martha: but we actually need those people to do those jobs effectively, you're right on that account, but to suggest that the pensions are not tkraeuging down state budgets is absolutely incorrect. i mean, absolutely, pensions are dragging down the -- >> i beg to differ. martha? martha, i beg to differ. martha: we do. >> pensions -- well, i know, we could differ, we probably should kick around facts rather than, you know, he said, she said. at the end of the day, we have to make sure that we don't continue to deepen our problems by laying off more teachers, firefighters and police officers. we have to make sure we put construction workers back to work like the american jobs plan would do, by investing in the infrastructure we need, and we have to make sure this is paid for by folks who are not paying their fair share now. march okay. >> making sure the wealthy and most fortunate step up to the plate. that's how we're going to get is done.
martha: i don't want to belabor this but if you talk to the governors in california and new jersey, you will clear that clearly -- hear that clearly the pension systems have cracked on the states and both states have taken dramatic action toss cure that problem. but you brought up the issue of how it's going -- going to be paid for and people look at the eight # on billion dollars stimulus program and it didn't work and they're concerned if they throw in $447 billion more, taxing the rich sounds like the first idea you've put out there. is that the plan? >> come on. martha: what? is that the plan? >> the mantra that the recovery act didn't work is such baloney. by the beginning of this year, the recovery act was credited with creating 3.6 million jobs in this country and it made sure that we didn't have tens of thousands of teachers, firefighters and police officers and other first responders laid off, left twisting in the wind, it made sure we had an infusion into the economy which at
the time was spiralling downward, bleeding 750,000 jobs a month and now we've had 18 straight mons of private sector job growth. so there's just no way that -- i mean, you can repeat it over and over but to say that the recovery act didn't work is simply false. martha: well, i respect your opinion on that. there's a lot of economists who would vehemently disagree with that. let's turn -- >> and many more that would back me up. martha: let's assume that what you're saying is true and -- let's get her signal back. we seem to have last her signal and are working to get it back. hopefully we'll get debbie wasserman schultz back in a minute. we want to talk about the effectiveness of a future stimulus program and whether or not it can work and we're going to hear from the president on that in a little while but clearly there's disagreement over whether the first one worked and whether or not $447 billion to save teacher jobs and police jobs and all of those which everyone agrees every society needs to have, but the question i was raise to go her is whether or not the underlying structure of those programs is working.
she's back, thank you. i'm glad you're back, debbie wasserman schultz. talk to me a little about how it would be -- how would taliban paid for? you mentioned one thing would be the -- to tax those who believe you need to pay more into the system. how would we do that, how much would we get for that and how much will we do to pay for it. >> closing corporate loopholes and making sure that businesses aren't incentivized to ship jobs overseas, bringing those jobs back to this country, we've got to focus on making sure that everyone pays their fair share. that is a glaring hole in the revenue that we generate in this country and making sure that we don't continue to pile all the pain on those who can least afford it right now, the middle class and working families and small business owners, that we can skpred thato spread that revenue out and ask more from our wealthiest americans. martha: all right. debbie wasserman schultz, we're just scratching the surface and we're going to get a lot more details and
clearly this is a passionate debate and we need to fix this economy. and everybody want that is to happen. >> we should work together to fix it, martha. we have to work together to fix it. martha: we hope folks will listen to both sides in this equation and we'll speak with you soon. thank you very much, we appreciate having you here. bill watching the markets open at 9:30. also casey anthony's parents in their first interview since the verdict on their daughter, what they say about the explosive allegations against george anthony and their feelings about their daughter now. >> what set off serena, huh? talk about a bad day! >> ♪ >> ♪ >> ♪ you had a bad day. >> ♪ >> ♪
bill: behavior on board on american airlines flight causing problems in the skies, authorities say two passengers made repeated trips to the bathroom, raising red flags with bot the pilot and crew. doug mckelway is sorting through this. good morning. everyone was on edge at the 9/11 memorial and terror -- alert. what happened on this board this plane? >> reporter: just as you said, everybody was on edge, couple the with the fact that there were reports that these two male, some say three males were behind locked doors in the bathroom at the same time, as other passengers were cueing up to use the facilities. it sruzly raised suspicion,
enough that fighter jets were issued to accompany the plane. here's what one passenger said upon land. brad: we thought it was normal procedure for 9/11, stuff like that, and then i guess people were arrested. i just heard that there were three fighter jets coming after us, so it was like kind of scary, but nothing happened on this flight. >> we didn't hear about anything, seriously, we just like landed and police officers came and we were like okay, what's happening. >> the secure measures authorities say were taken out of an abundance of caution, bill. bill: there were a number of other security scarce as -- scares as well. what happened in other places, doug? >> reporter: in one case, the fbi in detroit confront -- conform that is frontier flight from tk*pb ver had to divert to a remote part of the runway in detroit, three suspicious passengers, again, taken off, questioned along with the kraoufplt here's how passengers described that situation: >> we put our heads down,
they took three people, two guys and one girl. >> did they handcuff them? >> handcuffed them. they took them out. >> now, at one point i heard that one of the guys had a smile on his face. >> he came out of the restrooms. >> reporter: there were a couple of other incidents that bear mentioning, a man identified as a former police officer was detained at kci international airport after a suspicious package was x-rayed. authorities disrupted that package in a way to preserve the evidence and it turned out to be harmless. in addition, the secret service is now investigating three threatening messages that were posted on the white house's facebook page, so we'll keep watching those. those make reference to 11, nine, 2011, a date that's still off in the distance. we'll be watching that. bill: a lot to cover. thanks. doug mckelway in washington. martha: senator john mccain, reflecting on our country's two wars since the september 11th attacks. here he is on fox news sunday.
listen: >> and chris, whether we should have gone to iraq or afghanistan, i believe we should have. whether it's miss managed and whether we underestimated the enormity of the challenge we face, i think historians will judge. but i don't think we should ever forget that those attacks originated in afghanistan. and it's -- i think we did the right thing there, but i also think we've learned a lot of lessons, and frankly, i don't think you're going to see the united states of america in another war in that part of the world. i don't think the american public opinion would stand for it. martha: very interesting given john mccain's history on those -- on both of those wars in iraq and afghanistan michael scheuerer is with me. always nice to talk to you. >> thank you. martha: john mccain says he doesn't think americans will be able to stomach further wars in the middle east. is he right and is that even
a possibility? >> mr. mccain is an unusual man in that he's never seen a war that he hasn't liked. right after he told you what he just said, as we saw, he said we should have bombed the libyans more. so i think you have to take that with a grain of salt. but i do think he's right, the americans are sick of war. the american people. but unfortunately, their political leaders in both parties have committed us to situations where war will be automatic. we are dependent, for example, on the saudis as an oil producer and as someone who buys our debt. if they get in trouble with iran over the country of bahrain, we'll have to fight for them. and of course, all of your guests, senator mccain, senator feinstein, paul wolfowitz, would be willing ly -- would willingly see american marines and soldiers killed if that's what it took to protect israel. and the third thing, is while we have been
bor--sighted on afghanistan and pakistan, and as senator righty says the plans for 9/11 came out of afghanistan, al-qaeda has established prayingal bases in yemen, in somalia, across north africa, palestine, iraq, and is recruiting amongst english speaking americans, canadians, australians and britain. so this is a very war-filled future for the united states. martha: they're talking about drawing down troops in iraq to 3000, that got a lot of reaction. you've also got iran now talking about finishing this nuclear power plant. that's raising a lot of eyebrows. what do you see ending and what do you see just starting in your view? >> well, i think we're realizing that we abetted the growth of a second major shia power in the region in iraq. and leaving 3000 troops behind to me is an amazing -- it's like creating a fort apache in the middle of arizona in the 19th century.
what are 3000 american troops going to do in iraq if the thing turns ugly, how do we get them out of there? they certainly can't defend themselves for a prolonged period against a country in arms and really, the importance of iraq, why people are sticking on iraq at the moment, everyone wanted to leave and now some want to stay, is because by invading iraq we created a westward highway for the mujahadeen, for the islamic militant toss come from the pesh shan gulf and south asia through iraq and levan, the presence in syria, lebanon, palestine, growing presence in jordan, is all the result of that iraq war. martha: we're going to have to leave it there, michael schoerer, thank you. as you pointed out, as john mccain says, americans may not have the stomach for it but as history plays out, we mate not have a chaos some of these cases move further. thank you, sir, good to get your insight. >> thank you ma'am. bill: what you doing on wall street? brand new week and we are down. not terrible, though. i mean, it's early.
it's going to be a volatile session throughout the day. off about 100 points at the open here, 11 minutes into trading, concerns about europe, again, and whether or not greece has issues oritely -- italy has issues and whether or not the german and french have enough to help them. well starts another week. president obama saying republicans should find a lot to like in his jobs idea. so what do republicans think about that? a terrific panel set to debate in minutes. martha: and to new jersey, should governor chris christie run for president? frank luntz with a brand new focus group who says christie would be a, quote, flawless candidate.
local police agencies are there investigating. it's been parked for three days at the building, then a bomb sniffing dog got a hit on that vehicle. so of course, that causes them to take every precaution in that area, the federal courthouse has been evacuated, this is the state of the world we live in now, folks. so we'll keep on top of that, find out what's going on there, we'll get back to you. bill: in the meantime the president giving his jobs idea a push, you'll see it live on "america's newsroom", an idea that he says has a lot to like if you're a republican. really? former communications director for the national republican congressional committee, karen henretty, fox news contributor, and kirsten powers, daily contributor. ladies, good morning. karen, there's a lot to like here! >> are they going to jump on board? is it a done deal? >> i think president obama doesn't really understand what it is republicans like. there's very little in this jobs 2. o plan that he proposed that deviates from
his initial jobs package, the stimulus bill. so there's not a lot for republicans to be excited about. but more importantly, there's not a lot for the business community to be excited about in this bill if they do long term planning. >> you're not signing on to it, okay? if that's where we are, kirsten, what about that, is this thing dead in the water or do you tkpwhoe and pick certain ideas and push them through as oppose to the entire package -- opposed to the entire package? >> i have to say i'm not sure why republicans don't like this because more than half of it is tax cuts. so i don't understand how you can dismiss it. then if you look at the infrastructure bank, you have the chamber of khers supporting t. they're certainly a business group, i think that they probably have some sense of what's good for businesses, and then other parts of it, i guess, you know, republicans will never support direct aid to states which is where we've been shedding so many of our jobs because the states have such economic problems that they aren't able to pay teachers or other public sector jobs,
and they need direct aid from states. bill: you think it's a pretty good pang, then. >> i think it's a very good package and i really don't think there's a lot of reason for republicans to oppose it, and certainly to just sort of denigrate it like it's nothing when more than taf of -- half of it is tax cuts, definitely doesn't make sense. bill: two words, karen: tax cuts. >> let's talk about some of those tax cuts. one of the tax cuts proposed is the same tax cut that jimmy carter proposed in the '70s, and it provides a $4000 tax credit to businesses if they'll hire someone who's been unemployed. that sounds great. but it completely ignores the reality of supply and demand and how this economy works. if a business doesn't have the demand to hire a new employee, would -- why would they take a $4000 tax cred toeut spend more than $100,000 when you're done with the cost of their salary, their health care, the payroll taxes, the social security taxes that you pay? it's not going to do
anything to move the economy forward. bill: there's the -- the point is karen doesn't think this actually creates jobs, there's not enough incentive for business. kirsten. >> well, why doesn't she talk about the bulk of the tax cuts, which are the payroll tax cut, which republicans do support and they pick out this one little tax cut that they don't like? and i just disagree. if people are hiring, they're not hiring at the rate that they need to be hiring, but the idea that they would hire some -- give them a tax cut to hire somebody who's been looking for work for six months or more does not make -- you know, if you don't like that, fine, but that does not -- again, it's not a -- it didn't denigrate the entire package. bill: we're almost out of time here. we have found precious little agreement in the last three minutes. if that is the case, then, is this thing dead in the water, karen? >> sure. the president -- >> bill: does it get support? or does it go through at some point? >> it depends on what the
president does. if it's an all or nothing package, it's not going to pass. they're not going to pass old failed jimmy carter politics. bill: so that seems to be the theme last night. kirsten, do you agree? >> i'm sorry? >> bill: does it go through or not? >> well, i mean, look, i assume the republicans are going to be taking the same position that karen is taking which i think is really sad, so try to tarnish a great package and -- you no, when it would be good for the economy, just to play politics is bad. bill: o. ladies, we'll see how it plays out. pressure ours little agreement reached at the moment. we're going to work on it! thank you karen, thank you kirsten, have a good week. martha: coming up, casey anthony's parents sitting down for a bombshell interview with dr. phil. watch: >>
bill spwo*eul ahead of tonight's republican debate rick perry is out with a new op-ed about social security. the governor of texas writing he will be honest always with the american people, and the first step is admitting there is a problem. you remember this from last week's debate on social security. >> it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today you paying into a program that's going to there be, anybody that's for the status quo with social security today is involved th a monstrous lie to our kids, and it's not right. bill: rick perry adding in usa today this morning that the goal should be to fix the 75-year-old program. martha: all right. we've got to look at this. did you see this outburst on the krort? tennis sta serena williams went off on a choir umpire: we'll talk about it. >>
was whooping her, basically, when she hit the ball, and that was what the -- >> bill the umpire was upset about. martha: they said you're districting the -- distract o'clock the other player while they try to hit the ball. a lot of people said it's unfortunate behavior. bill: she lost the match. martha: she lost the match. what do you think? was she out of line? bill: i don't know. she called the umpire a loser and hater! in the same conversation. martha: you know what, so you think it's bad? >> bill: i think it was over the top. martha: if it were john mcenroe would it bother you? >> bill: i love john mcenroe. mcenroe would not have gotten away with that, either. martha: i love mcenroe, too, but i think you could have heard the exact same conversation come from john mcenroe and a lot of people would have cheered him on. i think that's what i think! bill onward we go! the men's finals, 4:00 today. hey martha, here's another bolt of lightning.
martha: okay, bill. bill: this time, sparking a massive wildfire. when the ground is dry, that is an issue. a string of fires right now raging in one state, forcing people to pack up and go. a live report on that, top of the hour, for you. martha: frank luntz is coming up and what average americans are saying about the president's jobs bill and the economy. people are fired up. >> it sounds all the same, same rhetoric. >> pass the bill, read it later. he could have replaced omabacare with this jobs bill. >> nothing new tonight.
house, the nation's capitol -- no, that was a trick. and the president is expected to put pressure on congress and wants the bill passed and that is the capitol on the right-hand side of your screen, of course and we wants it to be passed immediately, is what he has said and that is how we start a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." good morning, on this monday morning, glad to have you with us, i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. we're about to figure out whether it will work, unemployment, hovering at 9%, or above, in august and it has been 9%, at a minimum, for 26 of the last 28 months. 9.1 now. martha: here's what it comes down to. the president is requesting $447 billion to juice the economy, is what he hopes happens if he gets to spend the money and ed harrishenry is live at the white house and a lot of people are waiting for details and nuts and bolts of this. what do we expect this morning. >> reporter: the last part is key. last thursday night the president laid out one side of the ledger, if you will, that he
wants to spend $447 billion to try and create jobs, and extending the payroll tax cuts, and more infrastructurespent i-- spending and the other side of the ledger the president has not laid out how he wants to pay for that and republicans who have had a relatively open mind about the jobs bill and, people like aeric cantor and john boehner, said, look, we want to know how you will pay for this and the president indicated late last week there might be changes to medicare and medicaid and tax deduction and we want more specifics, though, today, that is what we are expecting. martha: we've heard some hints and i spoke to debbie wasserman schultz a while ago, it will be increased tax on the rich and that will not go the full measure, to paying for the bill and there has to be other stuff and he'll go on the road and try and sell whatever that plan is. how is that expected to go, ed?
>> reporter: well, it is interesting, because what we saw on friday, the president went to richmond, it was a campaign-style rally, 9,000 people, university of richmond, a lot of young people, supporting the president. and, obviously want kind of whip up his base and build support, outside of the beltway, if you will, for this and put pressure on republicans and what is interesting, last thursday night the president framed it at, all of this is above politics and let's not talk about the campaign and focus on substance and now is going out on the road, and i mentioned virginia, first up and tomorrow, going to ohio and wednesday, to north carolina and amazing coincidence, all three states are big battle grounds in 2012. martha: virginia, ohio, north carolina, nice fliplaces to vis especially if you are interested in winning an election. ed henry, thanks. bill: the proposal is $447 billion, and op ton of the billions we spent on the first economic recovery act. the cbo says whatever effect the first stimulus bill had on unemployment is only lasted a short time and that time is long
gone. democrats disagree and claim it created millions of jobs and saved millions more. >> it made sure that we didn't have tens of thousands of teachers, firefighters and police officers and other first responders laid off. left twisting in the wind and made sure that we had an infusion into the economy where it was at the time -- spiraling downward and bleeding 750,000 jobs a month and now we have had 18 straight months of private sector job growth, so, there is no way that... you can repeat it over and over, but the state of the recovery act didn't work. and, it simply is false. bill: debbie wasserman schultz, with martha last hour, here in "america's newsroom" and now we are awaiting president obama's remarks from the rose garden and you will see him live when they happen and brit hume is here in 30 minutes and will analyze. stay tuned. martha: texas, a massive wildfire outside of austin is now 50% contained, but, not
before it destroyed 1500 family homes. can you imagine? look at this. it is unbelievable. and, it can still spread according to those who are taking care of the situation. police say that 17 people are unaccounted for, they are hoping they are out of town or have other reasons for not being found at this hour, but, of course that is a big concern, so, forecasts will be allowed back into their homes today. in some of these areas and will get a first look at what has been left behind. >> we haven't been able to go in, at all, and... i have been told that my house is still standing, but, i don't know. >> we lost our house, probably within the first hour of the fire. >> first 15 minutes of the fire. >> you find out how strong you are and we'll come back all right. martha: a powerful, powerful force, people did not have any time to grab their belongings and the flames just swept in and surrounded their home. just a frightening, awful
situation, our hearts go out to folks there. bill: firefighters are battling a string of fires in california. watch this video, here. this is stunning. the fast-moving fire is causing evacuations, mainly in central california but the fire sparked by a lightning storm, you can see the stunning sight here, watch this video: bill: even a storm like that in california is not common. it started fires almost as far south as los angeles and here is the after-effect in die ligaylid people say it is hard to figure out which direction the flames are moving. >> scary, actually. we couldn't tell how close the fire was, you know? the perception and depth is off and we didn't know if the fire would come up this way or what. bill: casey steegel is live in l.a. where are the trouble spots? >> reporter: it is incredible, really to see the pictures coming out of here, the
lightning streaking across the sky, and as you said, extremely rare. we have multiple fires burning, in fact, in the state at this hour and flames chewed up about 7,000 acres, near bakersfield, california. and that is about 112 miles north of los angeles. evacuations only on a voluntary basis for communities in that area and we are happy to report, crews are making progress because the fire is at 60% containment. now, a second blaze in that area burned about 23,000 acres. that one, 90% contained. and, then, just to the northeast of there, flames ripping through kern county, california into the near nearby sequioa national forest and there were as many as 50 fires that started in kern county alone on saturday, because of those unusual thunderstorms moving through there, bill. that lightning mixed with the
dry vegetation from drought-like conditions, not a good combination in the golden state. bill: you listen to people talking about... they don't know where the wind is coming from it gives you an idea of how variable it is. what is happened outside of california, pacific northwest. >> reporter: we have talked about the devastation in texas and the pacific northwest dealing with fires, washington state and goldendale washington, not far from the oregon border, 210 miles southeast of seattle and the flames are 30% contained and have already destroyed more than 6 square mileses. and, then, over in hood river, oregon, yet another one burning, about 5800 acres. bill, that has been burning since august 27th. it, too, caused by lightning. so, mother nature, not cooperating out here, in the
west. bill: best of luck, okay? casey steegel in l.a. fires not just causing problems in places like california, and texas. so far this year, more than 56,000 fires burning more than 11,000 acres, square miles, rather, square miles across the country. in fact, 2011 shaping up to be the worst fire season in five years. and wildfires and other natural disasters already costing more than $35 billion. martha: election news today. voters in new york are heading to the polls tomorrow and they are trying to figure out who will fill congressman anthony wiener's seat in congress. the former congressman, remember, resigned in disgrace in june in the wake of a lewd photo scandal, documented pretty much everywhere and the latest public policy center poll, though, in the race to get the seat shows the republican candidate has a pretty significant lead. this is a real turn around, because the democrat was ahead a
couple of weeks ago, we interviewed bob turner and the picture was different and in fact the opposite, 6 points ahead for the democrats and eric sean is on the story and joins us now with more on the race. good morning, eric. eric: it is a very heavily democratic district in new york city and last sent a republican to washington in 1923. but, history could change tomorrow in what is seen as a race that is really a rev reenoh rev rent dum on president obama, he has never held public office and made the president's economic policies the cornerstone of his campaign and the polls show he is beating the democratic politician, an assemblyman who comes from a prominent local democratic political family and the most recent poll from the public policy polling shows turner ahead 6 points, as you said, and is ahead of him, though the number of democrats in the district out number republicans 3-1. and the poll also shows only
31%, less than 1/3 of the voters, have a favorable view of the president. a recent poll shows him trailing turner by 6 points, though the obama name is not on the plot, the nation's top democrat is this one who seems to be in voters' sights. >> this district, which is about as blue as they get, turns red, and i believe it will, that message can't be ignored. in every corner of washington, d.c., and the message is, we're on the bronx track, fix it. -- wrong track, fix it. >> washington is not perfect and that is a reason i'm running, i want to make a dent and try to bring people together and i have the right mix of both private sector as well as public sector background. but, i am committed to fighting to preserve social security and medicare. eric: some democrats crossed party lines to back republican
turner, like former mayor ed koch, but no matter who wins they may be best known for -- the district is likely to be redistricted out of existence in 2013. martha: one to watch, thanks. bill: a "fox news alert," we mentioned, 30 minutes ago, west palm beach, florida, now, a courthouse is evacuated, area buildings evacuated, downtown west palm beach after a truck according to sheriffs department, a rented truck with political jargon of some sort on the sides mainly said to be directed toward the police and they've evacuated the courthouse and a number of adjacent buildings in that area. the bomb squad is currently checking out the matter. police were alerted to the truck, it had been parked near the courthouse for several days, but just now a bomb-sniffing dog was alerted on something suspicious when authorities started checking it out and, as a result you have a heightened sense of awareness as to what the truck is doing there and what is inside of it. this is the paul g. rogers
courthouse in downtown west palm beach, florida. we'll get updates as we get them here, martha. martha: there were two parents at the center of a national nightmare, george and cindy anthony, who watched their daughter stand trial accused of killing their granddaughter. now, for the very first time, they are speaking out since casey was acquitted of murder. bill: and at this moment, for the first time since the attacks of september 11th, the public is now allowed to walk the hallowed ground. it just happened, moments ago and we'll take you there, live, in lower manhattan, here, in new york city. martha: looking forward to that. and most political analysts say they think it is a two-horse race in the g.o.p. but is it too late for one more entry into the race? >> how many of you want chris christie to enter the race, raise your hands? almost all of you. how many of you would pick him as your first choice, raise your
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martha: all right, you have americans speaking out on our crippled economy, as well as the issue of the 2012 presidential election which is getting pretty darned interesting. and, we are joined by frank luntz, a poll stir and president of luntz global. frank, welcome. >> always a pleasure. when you get the chance to let americans speak unedited, unfettered, it is awesome. martha: let's dive in. the first clip goes to the issue of whether or not we have our g.o.p. candidate yet. what do you think. >> i did not expect this. these were atlanta voters. martha: atlanta voters, folks. >> not new york, not new jersey and almost all of them want him to run, almost all of them would
consider supporting him and some would do so already and the intensity was amazing. let's look. martha: let's take a look. >> how many of you want chris christie to enter the race? raise your hands. almost all of you. how many of you would pick him as your first choice? raise your hands. why? >> he's just genuine. he's honest, he's truthful, he stands for everything i believe. >> just as i said, he's no holds barred, and has taken on the unions and has done great work in new jersey and bringing down entitlements. >> he's a strong american. >> well, he's a leader. i mean, he just -- you feel it when he walks into a room. >> i think the reason that perry came to the top of the polls when he entered the race is because all the candidates have flaws, and chris christie is the most flawless candidate. martha: you know, chris christie, i guarantee, he could say a lot of good things about himself, i doubt he would say he's flawless, any of us would say we're flawless and that was surprising, especially since it comes from georgia.
one of the big raps o chris christie is he's so new jersey and couldn't sell him across the country. >> theerson who did my makeup, not that you could tell i have makeup on... martha: you look lovely. >> my makeup is the bag over the the head. she says, he came and sat in my chair and i wanted to have dinner with him, he's so engaging with him. he works because he's blue-collar and says what he means and means what he says and that is what the american people want, lukooks you straight in t eye and would be a formidable candidate. martha: it would be fascinating, chris christie and barack obama, they could not be more opposite in so many ways, character and everything and we'll see. that is not going to happen, most bets are, and we'll see if your atlanta voters get what they are looking about and you also talked about the economy. >> it is so negative and i didn't r realize georgia was in difficult straits, because atlanta led the southern economy in job creation, but, these
people are afraid. and, they blame washington for it. once again. let's take a look: >> you have already been through a recession, how many of you believe we are about to go through another recession? almost all of you. why are you so pessimistic. >> seems like it is getting worse, unemployment is not getting better and the grocery bills are getting worse and the gas tank gets more expensive. >> you can't sugar coat it. the statistics. >> i'm a realtor. need i say more? >> it is that bad? >> it is awful. >> why is it getting worse. >> businesses are shut downing. everywhere. empty stores and -- in every shopping center everywhere in atlanta, buckhead to athens. >> i'm in manufacturing and, i talk to different accounts, and what do they do? invest in themselves, with yand not hire people, it will get worse. martha: the sentiment is pervasive. >> but something is missing, no one is talking about. it is not just unemployment, it is also the cost of life.
martha: the woman talked about it right there. >> food prices, mortgage prices, everyone has no savings. and, so, they're at the end of the rope and nervous if they lose their jobs, within 6 weeks, have run out of everything, it is the cost, not just the unemployment. martha: and that also bleeds over to businesses because their costs are rising as well and are getting squeezed and doing everything as minimally as possible, right now. frank, fascinating as always. >> and i want to invite people to participate. go to luntzglobal.com. martha: can bill and i be in the next group? you have to pay me. we pay, by the way, luntzglobal.com, sign up. w we'll be all over the country. bill: i'll cover martha, you get a two for one! any idea how many new regulations the obama administration imposed on america? we did the math and you'll see it and the memorial is open for you, the public, only moments ago. how do the families of the victims feel about that? >> i've always known that this was the year for me to come
martha: let's get to headlines developing right now in "america's newsroom," new fears the u.s. may not be prepared for a cyber attack, major security agency calls on the government to create more safety measures to prevent among other things financial an intellectual property theft. and how about this, roads in the northeast still closed after the massive flooding caused by tropical storm lee. reports say it could be wednesday, now, before things get back to normal. and, a surprise for football fans, former president george w. bush and his wife, laura, after being at ground zero came back in time for the game at the jets home opener and the president
and first lady were in new york for the september 11th yesterday and then went on, did i mention, the new jersey jets went on to beat the cowboys, 27-24? bill: how about that! martha: did you know that was the outcome of the game. bill: having a great season and it is only game one, but... martha: i have a good feeling. bill: did you see what the mets did last night here in new york? they had a terrific pregame ceremony to honor all of the families, the victims and... martha: all around, really, wasn't it... bill: the moments we shared yesterday morning on the ten-year mark, indelible points in our lives as well, because you live it with them, and, it is hard to get it out of your mind, frankly, and i think... martha: maybe that is okay, maybe we should carry that with us all the time and it was really a beautifully done day, yesterday. bill: and moments ago, the memorial opened up to the public. the first time, ground zero. you now get a chance to go there. rick leventhal is there live this morning, good morning to
you. rick: good morning to you, bill and we're going to give you a bird's eye view of the 20th floor of the one world trade center, the building, obviously still under construction but we can see from up here, just how dramatic this 8-acre memorial plaza is. you can see two pools built in the footprints of the towers where the waterfalls, 30 feet high, 200 feet long pour constantly and the people on the plaza, the first day the general public can actually get in and walk around this site which was for so many years a pit and a pile and a short time ago, we speak to joe daniels, the director of the 9/11 memorial. >> this is a place that brought people together, before 9/11, and after 9/11, people rushing in from across the country and now, that we are opening the memorial, every, single country, economic class, political stripe will be standing side by side and is doing what was tried to
be destroyed that day. it is bringing people together. >> reporter: i also spoke with the designer, architect of the -- who said that it turned out even better than he had hoped, bill. bill: i hope that that is the case, and, we talked to family members yesterday, and what did they tell you about the reaction to the memorial? >> reporter: you know, it is pretty powerful, and, some of them have actually been moved to tears, many of them, in fact, moved to tears, when they have come down here, not just to reflect on those who they have lost, but, to celebrate their life as well and there are places to do that, under the oak trees and on the grass, and in the grass around the two pools that have the etched names of all of those lost. we spoke with a young woman, and she talked about her brother: >> i am so absolutely gratified that this place of darkness and chaos has been transformed into a place of lightness and light
and grace, and beauty. and, it fills me with hope. >> reporter: they can handle 1500 visitors at any given time and expect 7,000 a day. bill, they've already had 400,000 people sign up at 911memorial.org and it is free but you have to sign up in advance and go through airport-style metal detectors to get in here. bill: at ground zero, which is still under construction, rick leventhal, and talking to the families yesterday, what was important was the fact the name of the victim was not just put onto this bronze plaque, anywhere, they were all associated with the fire company, or the company they worked with, they were assembled near friends of thirs, who died, also, and, that is part of a lot of the symbolism you will find here. martha: imagine how difficult it was to organize that and from the families i spoke to they did a masterful job and my friend's brother is next to the person he
worked next to on the desk and, those things are special and is very, very important in terms of all of the -- coming home for everybody and thank them for the dedication. and that is a great, great takeaway from all of what happened yesterday. so, in a few minutes from now, president obama is said to deliver his statement and he'll talk about the jobs plan, how it will be paid for and what his plans are and brit hume, straight ahead on how much support it may get in congress. we'll talk to him in a moment. bill: and new insight into casey anthony's family life. her parents talk for the first time since the trial. wait until you hear this: martha: and remember, it is easy to take fox news with you on your phone or ipad. when you head to work or go out for the day. we'll never leave you! we're following you everywhere! fox news.com/mobile, find out how to stay connected to bill and me, everywhere you go, smartphone, cell phone, we're there for you. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] succeeding in today's market requires decisive action.
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unemployment, and more than 1 in 3 people out of work, have been that way for more than a year. brit hume, fox news senior political analyst with me now. good morning to you. >> good morning. bill: what are you hearing? does it have a chance of going through? do you pick at it? or is it dead in the water? >> nobody will say it is dead in the water but it will almost certainly not pass in its present form and will soon be caught in the continuing struggle over spending and taxes and the rest of it that characterized our politics in washington, for the past year or more, so, i think, you know, it will become part of the larger struggle and the president will lay out ideas about how it should be paid for, though he is basically punting the question to this supercommittee formed to find further savings and ways to close the deficit. the problem with that, of course, is any money that is devoted to this new spending, which the president wants, the new stimulus, is that much less money that can be applied to the
task of getting the deficit down, so, i think it will be... it will be pretty recycle, though the republicans, i think, are going to be too smart to go out and declare it dead on arrival and denounce it or any of that. bill: why is that? did they hear something during the august break... >> no. no. i don't think it is so much that. what i think is, that it is smart politics to treat a president and the president's proposals with respect. and, to take them seriously. and, to deal with them in a serious way. and, you know, the president is hoping, i suspect, that this thing will be flung down and danced upon noisily by the opposition which gives him a way to go out and run against him, about people who didn't want to do anything about the economy when he wanted them to. bill: republicans don't believe it will work is what i'm hearing and in a political sense why would they sign onto something they don't believe will work anyway, because, then, the
economy has shared failure in an election year. >> i'm not saying they'll sign onto it, bill. what i'm saying is that they are going to take it seriously, and, take a hard look at it and, legislate and, in the end, there will probably be some steps taken, that could qualify as being, you know, something that would go some... that is note same as passing it. but, i think it will soon be swallowed up in the larger struggle and to some extent, possibly forgotten though the president would like to use it to beat the republicans over the head with it. bill: we heard lindsay graham earlier today on fox, telling the crew on "fox & friends," he'd sit and listen to the speech and say, where is it? where is the plan? how come it is not on paper? don't ask me to gauge or judge something if i can't look at... >> that is a technicality, really. bill: i imagine we'll get more of that. but why does the white house
punt the decision to get the spending cuts to the supercommittee, as opposed to proposing their own? why would they do that? >> presumably they will suggest some of their own, but the president -- you have to understand, that it is not in the dna of the president and his party to reduce spending. or reduce the deficit in any other way than by raising taxes on those they don't consider their real constituency, this is not what they believe in and partly it is political and partly it is a policy difference, as a matter of political conviction. and, as far as they are concerned, the spending the government does is good, and the need to reduce it is unfortunate. and, something they would rather not have to do. and, if they can, you know, avoid that responsibility, for that in some way, it helps with their base and they may even feel it helps them generally and i'm not shire agrure i agree bus the sense. bill: thanks, brit, we'll sit hear and wait for the president,
brit hume, good to have you, thank you. martha: their daughter's murder trial captivated the nation for months. and, now, for the first time, we are hearing from george and cindy anthony. they are speaking out, and we will bring that to you, moments from now. bill: and president obama says the government needs to minimize regulation when it comes to business in america and the administration continues to pile 'em on. now, why some analysts say his new policies are stifling job growth.
to allegations that her husband, george, helped dispose of caylee's body. >> when you heard the defense in this case say he was involved in -- not in causing the child's death, but, in events that took place after that, did it ever occur to you that he has hidden substantial things from me before, could he have done it again? >> no, not when it came to his family, as far as casey and caylee. george would never have put us through those six months of not knowing where caylee was, if he knew where she was, because i watched his heart break, every, single day and i watched him as frantic as he was... bill: the show made an undisclosed donation to the foundation, named in caylee's memory and the entire interview airs tomorrow and thursday. first time they've talked, first time they've taken those
questions. martha: very interesting to watch that and even her reaction there, i thought it was sort of... bill: body language. martha: very interesting. we'll watch for the rest of that, on dr. phil's show, and in the meantime, onto something completely different, folks. we get ready for word from our president, moments away. he's going to lay out this jobs plan, lots of discussion about what will be in it, and, we'll talk to -- we'll be watching it and taking you there live, moments from now, and, we're also going to bring in our friend, bret baier in a moment, because the obama administration imposed a lot of new regulations on business, they've complained about, and, they directly affect the economy in so many ways and let's break it down. there were 75 new major regulations, since 2009. the annual cost of compliance for companies is $38 billion, is the estimate and the average cost of businesses will be $161,000, a year. according to those new numbers, that have come out, the research, a new series we're showing you called regulation nation and that kicks off
tonight, on special report, and bret baier joins me to preview it. what -- encompassing the special coming up on regulations which bears directly onto a lot of companies in terms of how the economy is going, and we'll hear from the president moments from now, good morning to you. >> good morning, a series of reports about regulation, and, president obama and his administration talked in principle about the need to cut back on regulations. the evidence suggests otherwise. according to the republican house and speaker boehner's office, there were 219 regulations last year, 190 proposed, for this year. and, in an average, according to them, that is about ten new regulations per day. the impact on this, on small business, republicans in congress are argue, is significant. we have specific examples of small business members, owners, and also, farmers and how people
deal with regulations day-to-day that affect their lives. now, the president has talked about finding a balance here, of important regulations that are needed to protect the environment, in order to protect the people overall, but, we'll show you some examples that will really raise some eyebrows, about what people have to go through, day-to-day, in their businesses. martha: a lot of businesses talk about feeling handcuffed in their ability to grow because with each new employee they bring in or plant they open they have to deal with a lot of red tape and bureaucracy and speaks for a lot of small businesses around the country. what are you hearing, with the folks who you talk to, how they hope to get out from under all of that? >> they are hopeful there will be this epiphany in washington that this overregulation does not work and does hamstring the businesses that the president would like to see expanded as he
talks about and did talk about last thursday. i think there is a hope that the congress can dig into some of these regulations, and, erase some of the ones that are really onerous, on small business owners. that hope has been around for years, as you know. and, as we wait for the president to speak today, pitching this new plan, that he has, there is skepticism that congress can actually get through this, especially, in the gridlock that is washington. martha: we talked about this earlier with brit hume and it goes to the basic philosophy between democratic principles and republican or conservative principles, how to get an economy going and the president is sort of... he's held to that, in many ways in terms of how he expects to get jobs moving. so, i mean, are we -- what are we looking for this morning, in any way that could be something that republicans could warm up to, as we have heard they should in this bill? >> i think it is clear that republicans will sign onto
something. in the package. an, whether... how much they sign onto, we don't know. i think the big question mark is how it is paid for, and the president has put a lot of weight on the super committee, finding tens of billions of dollars to pay for the plan and the republicans are skeptical of the pay-fors, because they are likely to include tax increases on the wealthiest and closing loopholes on the court side without the tax restructuring that many republicans have talked about being able to sign onto. so, that is really the biggest question mark. i think there is no doubt that republicans will want to move some of the legislation, at least parts of it, pretty quickly. martha: you touched on something there, true tax reform and is something that has gotten a lot of attention on both sides, but it's not something we are hearing the president talk about with a lot of passion. >> you know what? there is a sense inside the
administration that when he pushes something, with passion, that they believe that republicans step away from it. that they can't support it. because he's pushing it. that is what you hear from some senior officials. and, that is... they say that is why he's not jumping and pushing the big long-ball approach of tax structural reform. he talked about it briefly in the speech on thursday. i don't think there is a problem if it arrived on its desk, but, as far as pushing it through congress, there's a lot on the left, who have problems with the restructuring, as we get ready to see the president. martha: and i believe the president just walked out, trying to see my screen a little bit more closely. >> the setup guy. martha: two minute warning, the setup person and let me ask you a question, you talk about things there could be compromise and what are the clearest examples of that. >> payroll tax cuts will probably be a lay-up for congress and there will be
opposition, obviously, but largely, republican supportedal and i think there -- supported and there are doubts about tax credits, because republicans believe if you give a short-term tax credit to businesses eventually in the long term they'll feel like you are going to take the money away from them. and, there is kind of a long-term scheduling issue for some businesses. and, republicans cite that. so, i think there will be fights on other parts of it, including infrastructure, based on how to pay for it and if they figure out the pay-for structure, the infrastructure projects, the president mentioned, may go forward. but, remember, his own criticism in talking about the first stimulus package, he said, those shovel-ready jobs were not so shovel-ready. martha: you can bet they will make every effort to make sure if they dole out the money in that way those projects are ready to go so he can get credit
for them quickly and, you know, people will see jobs as a result as well. quickly, you know, what about the teachers, and policemen and jobs trying to be preserved by the bill, is that something to get support on both sides and if republicans support it will they ask for it to be attached to some kind of pension reform that might be able to make those jobs last, even longer-term? >> that is a great question. and i think that has yet to be seen, how that is going to play out. i think republicans will demand some things to pass this, but i think it is a battle set up as many have said laying out the 2012 election. and, that this is the first really salvo in that, to -- the president and his administration are going to go hard at some of these republin districts, where there may be significant pushback and they are going to campaign on this, to say it is a do-nothing republican congress in the house.
and, he has seen some effect in doing that in shoring up the left, which, obviously, has had its own criticism of this president. so, i think it is yet to be seen how it is going to play out but i bet you it will be vigorous as far that's campaigning on this particular plan. martha: you know, bret, it could not be more crucial for this president, obviously, i mean, if he doesn't add jobs and lower the employment rate, raise the employment rate he'll have a tough time in the re-election. it looks like we're going to be a little bit longer. a quick thought on that, bret, if you would and we'll leave and come back to this. >> sure. i think there is no doubt if 9% unemployment is the number by the time you get to the election, or anywhere close to that, that this president is going to have an uphill battle and he knows that. and, no matter who the republican nominee is, the status of the economy and how people feel bowel tabout the ec
will be the driving force in tlethe election and this administration is preparing for the fact as i mentioned, laying done the groundwork for how the campaign will come together. martha: very high stakes this morning. thank you so much, bret. good to talk to you, we'll see you later on special report. bill: as we await, jim angle is with us, too, good morning to you, down there in washington. looking at a lot of things with the super-committee and when we went to the stimulus in '09 you were a big part of our coverage and went through a lot of noeth information as to what it was bound for and what it might help and what it might not. and what is this difference other than price tag, between this stimulus now, though it is not called a stimulus by the white house and what we watched in the winter of '09? >> reporter: well there are a lot of similarities and some of the same programs and keep in mind it is at a $447 billion, one-year program and the last time it was an $800 million-plus two year program and it is every bit as... spending at the same
pace that's firas -- as the fir stimulus was and the president has a problem and an opportunity, and the president promised to pay for or offset the cost of this but will do the exact same targets the sumper committee in finding the budget cuts the next tkxt ten years, t looked at and he mentioned eliminating or reducing tax deductions, making changes in entitlements, such as medicare and medicaid and making the bet-off pay their fair share, a reference to tax increases. the problem is, trimming the $1.1 trillion in annual tax deductions is exactly what the super committee was looking at, and it will increase their burdens, and they wanted to cut $1.5 trillion and were hoping to do much more than that. now, they have to do a third more on top of that to pay for the president's programs and the other thing was cuts in entitlements, such as medicare
and medicaid. now, that is something the president has mentioned repeatedly, something he talked to house speaker boehner about, during the deficit talks, and, also is something the democrats fiercely opposed and former speaker deficit talks that she had been able to prevent any cuts in medicare and social security. so you get some sense that he is going to run into problems there. bill: jim, stop you there. we've gotten a two minute warning as the players come out here. >> reporter: yeah. bill: what is the white house's argument why it will work this time with regard to jobs when it did not work three years ago in 2009? >> reporter: because it is newer. bill: essentially the same. just not as big, right? >> reporter: it is as big because you're spending half as much in one year instead of two years but it is aimed
at the same sorts of things. saving teachers jobs. well they did that before. trying to boost money for the states, to keep jobs for firemen and police. they did that before. a lot of these are union jobs, not private spector jobs. the key thing would be for the president to reduce the burdens on the private sector, and there is not much of that in this. that is certainly something that the committee, the supercommittee is talking about. in fact you have both democrats and republicans there saying one way to boost job creation is to reduce future deficits because businesses are afraid they're going to have to pay those debts and that they won't be able to hire new workers. both democrats and republicans see deficit reduction as a way of creating jobs. the president, not so much. bill: i see. we're awaiting the president. that is teachers, firefighters. police officers, who have gathered around there in the rose garden but specifically on the supercommittee, they had already been given a
huge job to find all these cuts in the federal government. how do you think they're taking this one? go find 447 billion more? >> reporter: it is one-third more than they were already charged with and they were hoping to do more than 1 1/2 trillion. they're likely to cheer for the president's desire to pay for his plan but not the ways he wants to do it because that is precisely where they were looking for savings. they are trying very, very hard and, i think from their opening meeting it was clear that members of both parties are very serious about this effort because they know what a burden these deficits are. you have only to look at what is happening in greece and what that is doing to the european economies and even to the u.s. stock markets to realize what kind of burden you have if people keep spending money they don't have and simply borrow it and members of this committee are determined to help fix that but their burden has gotten much bigger with the president's latest stimulus plan which increases their burden as we
said by one-third, adding about $500 billion to what was already 1 1/2 trillion. they were hoping to do much more than that because if you only do 1 1/2 trillion, two years from now you will have to come back and do it again. bill: you wonder how many more arrows are in the quiver, how much more fuel do you have in this economy to go and try to figure out your sources of energy to try to get things generated. so this is the latest idea from the white house. we're going to see the president here in a matter of moments. >> here he comes now with vice president biden as they walk in. we've been waiting for this throughout the morning as bill pointed out, gathered here, firefighters, teachers, number of people who represents groups whose jobs would be saved by this. let's listen to the president. >> it's wonderful to see all of you here. on thursday, i told congress that i will be sending them a bill called the american jobs act. well, here it is.
this is -- [applause] this is a bill that will put people back to work all across the country. this is the bill that will help our economy in a moment of national crisis. this is a bill that is based on ideas from both democrats and republicans and this is the bill that congress needs to pass. no games, no politics, no delays. i'm sending this bill to congress today and they ought to pass it immediately. now -- [applause] standing with me this morning are men and women who will be helped by the american jobs act. i'm standing with teachers all across america,